Should we really be worried about eugenics in China, as suggested by Geoffrey Miller in a recent and very controversial Edge piece? There’s been some really interesting comments over at TOO, and a rebuttal by Peter Frost. Below, I’ve quoted extracts from Peter Frost’s refutation of Miller, and the best comments left over at TOO.
Eugenics is simply the word used for the science of stock breeding when it becomes applied to humans, and in itself doesn’t imply a controversial means such as abortion, enforced sterilisation or the euthanasia of those unfortunates deemed congenitally undesirable.
But remember that in our political climate, the first target of negative eugenics would certainly be hereditary predispositions towards ‘racism’, ‘sexism’ or ‘homophobia’ among able bodied whites.
Chinese eugenics, 2013 : What should we be worried about?
Seeing China plain
“The author, evolutionary psychologist Geoffrey Miller, sees this eugenics program in the one-child policy, which serves “partly to curtail China’s population explosion, but also to reduce dysgenic fertility among rural peasants,” presumably because the best and the brightest migrate to the cities. Furthermore, to the extent that the best and the brightest are wealthier, they’re also better able to pay the fine for having a second child.
But Miller overlooks the weaker enforcement of this policy in rural areas. If the first-born in a farming family is a girl, they’re allowed to have another child. This might be why the fertility rate is higher in China’s rural areas, although it’s questionable whether the one-child policy has much effect at all. The fertility rate is actually higher in China (1.55) than in Taiwan (1.06) or Singapore (1.2), neither of which tries to limit family size.”
“As he notes further on, the word “eugenic” corresponds here to the Chinese term yousheng, literally “good birth.” The idea here, however, is not to create a new superhuman, but rather to maintain the current quality of the gene pool. A better English translation would be “anti-dysgenic.”
“An analogy can be made here with the current view that East Asian societies are “ultranationalistic”—a view seldom expressed a half-century ago when national sentiment was thought to be normal and even healthy. Since then, they haven’t diverged from us. We’ve diverged from them. Remember, we observe other human societies from a moving frame of reference, and this perspective creates the illusion that some societies are becoming more extreme, more religious, or more xenophobic.
In reality, China has no eugenics program. It has a population program that may have anti-dysgenic effects. Moreover, a truly anti-dysgenic program would apply to everyone, yet the one-child policy is applied only in part to peasants and not at all to non-Han Chinese.“
“And then there’s immigration. In official discourse, China carefully screens its newcomers, letting in only the best and the brightest (Pieke, 2012). In reality, most immigrants enter the country illegally or on visitor visas to fill low-paying jobs…”
“The looming scarcity of labor could lead to higher wages and greater reliance on automation and robotization. Or it could lead to a growing influx of cheaply paid immigrant labor. To date, China seems to be moving down the second path…”
“There has also been an influx of sub-Saharan Africans, who number an estimated 200,000 in Guangzhou alone, in addition to a growing presence in Hong Kong, Macao, Yiwu, Shanghai, and Beijing (Bodomo, 2012; Li etal., 2007). Most come to China as immigrants, and not as transients…”
“The African influx will probably continue to “happen” through irregular means. Eventually, it will be regularized as a fait accompli. Indeed, some are already arguing that such immigration must be legally recognized in order to manage it better…”
“For Geoffrey Miller, China acts with a view to the longer term, especially when deciding the future of its population, i.e., the basis of its society and economy. In contrast, the West acts “stupidly and shortsightedly.”
The real picture is less flattering to the Chinese and is, in fact, depressingly familiar. As in the West, population policy is dominated by short and medium term needs, even though today’s decisions have long-term consequences that will be hard to reverse.
Like its Western counterparts, the Chinese business community feels entitled to cheap labor and will lobby hard to preserve this “right” as the pool of homegrown labor shrinks. Although the average Chinese worker would gain from higher wages and a more capital-intensive economy, such a change would be costly for existing businesses, many of which would lose market share or go bankrupt. A tempting solution will be to keep wages low by letting in people who will work at those wages.
And keeping such people out will be diplomatically difficult. Their home countries are usually the same ones that increasingly supply China with food and valuable raw materials. Fear of economic reprisals will force policy-makers to treat this issue with kid gloves.“
The Big Questions: Eugenics and Ethno-States
“One other comment, before we start quaking before our Han-ish masters, the one-childe policy is extremely arbitrarily enforced–one wonders just how effective any eugenics practices there might be.”
“Even if I support the eugenic idea, I find it hard to determine the right criteria for eugenic practices. Many bourgeois and aristocratic elites in Europe have been intermarrying for centuries (presumably rich and intelligent people). They brought us, e.g., philosophers and scientists promoting moral universalism.“
“I am not as sure that we need massive numbers of intelligent people and I suspect that as suggested in Coming Apart by Charles Murray our brightest are intermarrying to a greater extent than in the past. The trouble is that we are having fewer children.
I would support free sterilization and make forced sterilization a condition for welfare after two children. I would also consider it for any mother who allows her child to be severely hurt or killed by anyone in the household.”
“I don’t think that overpopulation is a threat all over the world, only some Muslim and Sub-Saharan countries. Also maybe some cramped mega cities.”
“There is a strong link between psychosis and creativity. I do not think the Chinese will be able to turn in the long term a more creative and smart with this kind of eugenics.“
“We do have, in effect, pseudo-eugenics programs in this country (United States), but they are peculiar in that they are, like everything else here, the product of corporate interests and a consumer mentality. It’s needless to point out the irony that this depraved cultural institution functions primarily in the Jewish-created sphere of the Left. Obviously, I am alluding to the practice of sperm/egg “donation” and test-tube baby production. Faggots, queers, dykes, trannies, and all sorts of other mentally challenged individuals now have, sanctioned by Jews and their depraved cohorts, the ability to “shop” for children. Samples are not accepted from women or men who do not meet extremely high criteria of mental and physical performance. Your typical dyke or faggot — who, by virtue of the laws of nature shouldn’t even be alive, and according to virtually every system of measurement in history should be at the very least locked up in an institution receiving treatment — literally goes shopping for their child. That’s right, the Jews, homos, queers and all the filth whine incessantly about elitism, moral universalism, equality (literally a leveling), etc. then turn around and in the most elite but purile manner select seed based on specific mental and physical characteristics.“
“I’m for some form of eugenics but would not necessarily emphasize IQ because there are other positive attributes that need to be retained such as strength, mental stability, resourcefulness, and others. Filtering for IQ might create a population of neurotics and sociopaths. Besides, I don’t IQ is our problem. It didn’t keep us whites from failing to protect our culture and race.“
“What we need is our own state, with our own media, then a 3x child policy so we are always growing and expanding.”
“The Nazis are going to take over the world!!! The Commies are going to take over the world!!! The Japanese are going to take over the world!!! The Muslims are going to take over the world!!!
And now…the Chinese are going to breed themselves smarter than us and TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!!
Anyone who acts like this should be ashamed of himself.“